EP27 Building Clarity to Leave Corporate on Your Terms with Victoria Steward
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Julie Harris Oliver: Welcome to Deep Work Out Loud, the thinking that fuels our life, our work, and our leadership. I'm Julie Harris Oliver. This is the podcast where I sit with another professional coach, and we do some work around a single concept, a piece of inspiration, a topic we've seen come up in coaching, something we care a lot about, and if we're lucky, while we're talking about it, we might demonstrate what coaching might look and feel like.
But we'll see how this goes. This is all an experiment, and with any luck, you will leave with something that you can apply and use in your work or your life or both. Today, I'm here with Victoria Steward. is a corporate exit and financial empowerment coach who helps senior corporate women stuck in the just-one-more-year loop build the self-trust and financial clarity to leave on their own terms their own scenic route.. A 20-year civilian career with the US Navy, moving from engineer to program manager to branch head, [00:01:00] she left in 2023 having done everything right. She sold the house, built a six-figure runway, checked every box, and the anxiety got worse. What shifted things was not another spreadsheet. It was learning to trust what she already knew. she leads with permission and lets the math follow. Victoria is an independent certified Profit for Keeps coach and hosts The Scenic Route with Victoria Steward, a podcast proving there is no one right way, only your way. Victoria
Victoria Steward: Hello. Thank you for having me, Julie
Julie Harris Oliver: Thanks for coming, and thank you for having me on your podcast,
Victoria Steward: It was delightful. Yes
Julie Harris Oliver: Let's start with what brought you to this work
Victoria Steward: It's in the intro of what you just read, is that money was always, like, such a stressor in my life, and I couldn't quite figure it out for myself. I was like, "Well, I sold [00:02:00] the house. There's no re- like, responsibilities. There's all this money in the bank account. I have so much time to figure out what to do next."
And I was just, like, I didn't know what was happening, and it was... Like, it was almost like I was still spending like this without actually paying attention to what was happening 'cause there was so much money in the bank account. And then, but I didn't know what I- what was I going to do next.
And I was like, "Man, what is going on here?" Like, why do I feel so unsafe, so anxious about this all the time? And I, like, I don't even know what prompted me to ask myself this question. And I said to myself at some point, like, "Would it have made a difference if there was a million dollars in your bank account?"
And I realized no, because then I would've been like, "But then I can't travel around the world like three times before I have to, like, figure out how to make more money." Like, did you even want to travel around the [00:03:00] world three times? Probably not. So it was just, like, really clear that there was something else going on, and, like, I was outsourcing my power to this thing that is money when I was like, "Something else is here."
And so I was, like, working through a mindset, money mindset course. I met Amber Decker and learned about Profit for Keeps. And I was like, "Oh, maybe the next thing is me helping other women with money", and because I can't be the only one who is having this, like, strange thing that's happening here when you've been making great money your whole career, somehow you still feel like you don't know where it's going.
You leave thinking that you have all this runway. Like, look what I did. I made it so that I could do almost anything next, and I still am, like, in a [00:04:00] panic all the time. So, um, that's kinda like how I got to the money piece because it was... Mm-hmm.
Julie Harris Oliver: Had you already left your job?
Victoria Steward: Yes. I left my job
Julie Harris Oliver: job, sold your house. Did you know yet what you wanted to do? Or you thought, "I am giving myself enough runway to figure it out." How long could that take?
Victoria Steward: Yes. Well, I figured I'd be getting another master's degree or a PhD or something because school's fun. And and I was like, "Oh, I wanna change careers, so what's the right answer? Ah, an MBA or a master's in something or other, or if I really just wanna stay in school for a while, I'll get a PhD." And but it was like none of that just felt right.
It was just like, "I guess I could, but man, do I wanna study for the GMATs? No.
Julie Harris Oliver: I mean.
Victoria Steward: Gross."
it was [00:05:00] like, that's what it was. I was like, Ew."
Julie Harris Oliver: Whoever wants to do that, it's fantastic. Go do that.
Victoria Steward: Yeah
Julie Harris Oliver: Had you quit because you were like, "I gotta get out of this job, and I don't know what else to do, so I'm just gonna make myself a cushion and get out of here"?
Victoria Steward: Yes. 'Cause it was, it was like I had spent two years, like, working on my hormones, meditating. I don't know, like, seeing every imaginable doctor person who all told me everything was fine. Working on my gut microbiome, 'cause I was like changing my diet. I, like, went vegan for a while. Like, working out like a crazy person.
Like, I was like, "Why do I not feel like myself?" And it- the only clarity I kept getting is like, you, you need to do something else. Like, that is, was the only clarity I had, was like, the next right step is to go, and you can figure out the rest. And I was like
Julie Harris Oliver: This is so what we [00:06:00] do as women. Like, I am miserable. Surely it has something to do with me. Let me figure out all the things that are wrong with me to
Victoria Steward: Yes.
Julie Harris Oliver: this job is not working anymore. When really, how in money and time and effort and tears could we save if we were like, "Oh, this system I am working in is really not in alignment with who I am,
Victoria Steward: Yeah
Julie Harris Oliver: I should go do something else."
But first we have to go through the whole checklist. What
Victoria Steward: body
Julie Harris Oliver: is wrong with me?
Victoria Steward: my body must be broken. Let me fix it. Yeah.
Julie Harris Oliver: Obviously I'm broken, 'cause anyone would be able to work here.
Victoria Steward: Yeah
Julie Harris Oliver: yeah, it does not always work like that.
Victoria Steward: No, no
Julie Harris Oliver: So I got the sense from what you were saying that you, just had a big pile of money, but also not a lot of clarity and honesty and truth about the facts of the money.
Is that right?
Victoria Steward: Yeah, I never had figured out, which like now in retrospect is a little [00:07:00] bizarre, like what, what were my ex- monthly expenses? What was my, like burn rate per month? How long did I ima- like, would that money in my bank account actually last me? What did I wanna do with it? Did I want to take some trips? Did I want to do a retreat?
Do, did I want to travel, right? It was like I just started then just being like, "Well, I don't wanna... I wanna go do that, so I'm gonna do it 'cause there's money there. I'm gonna go do that. I'm gonna go because there's money there." And then it was...
Julie Harris Oliver: on a wing and a prayer.
Victoria Steward: Yes
Julie Harris Oliver: there's still checks that, like in the olden days, there's still checks in my checkbook. There must be money in the bank account
Victoria Steward: And I was looking, right? But then it was, it was because, like, there was no foundation underneath all of it, so it was always like... And this, this happened even when I was getting a paycheck, right? Like, there was no solid foundation, so it always felt unstable. And, [00:08:00] and then I left, and all of a sudden there wasn't, like, this safety of a paycheck coming in.
It was just a dwindling amount of money in my savings account or my checking account. And, oh my God, I still don't know what I'm gonna do. Like, what is happening? And
Julie Harris Oliver: Scary.
Victoria Steward: w-
Julie Harris Oliver: Scary. And so what was the journey of, "I gotta get my feet underneath me and understand all this"?
Victoria Steward: So the funny part is that I started, like, a money program, I think two weeks before I left my job. And I was like, "Man, I wish I had done this a little earlier."
Julie Harris Oliver: I gotta think you must have been making just plenty of money to so not be worried about it all this time
Victoria Steward: No, I was worried about it all the time, but I just was like, like, "This is embarrassing. I'm an engineer. I do budgets and spreadsheets at work. Like, this is like, I don't understand what is not [00:09:00] computing," right? Like, I hadn't done enough, like, healing, coaching work to understand that the emotions that were happening, right, like they needed to be seen.
They needed... It wasn't like me kept sh- shoving them down was obviously not helping. And so it was just getting louder and louder, and I was like, "Well, I'll just go. Like, that will make some of th- this noise, this stress go away. Um,
Julie Harris Oliver: Something will happen
Victoria Steward: something will happen. It's gotta change." Like, 'cause you're always looking for either the magic bullet or, like, the huge thing to change that will actually shift things in your life, and unfortunately those don't exist
Julie Harris Oliver: Darn.
Victoria Steward: Darn it
Julie Harris Oliver: what, what had to happen within you to get there, to look at it?
Victoria Steward: I, like, had enough of it a little is really what it was. Um, I...
Julie Harris Oliver: too great
Victoria Steward: Yeah, I was [00:10:00] just like, "Ugh, this is ridiculous." Like, I left this job. I- I'm letting the stress out of my life, right? Like, I'm allowing my body to relax, and it's not enough. I need to change this relationship. And it also felt like a gateway into other parts of my life.
Like, it felt like if I could build a solid relationship with my money, 'cause it felt very tied into worthiness, how I was showing up in the world, that then it would migrate into my romantic life, which also hadn't been doing anything for a long time. 'Cause I was like, "I don't trust myself with that. I don't trust myself with my money," right?
Like, so it was like, how, how do I start to rebuild that trust with myself? And it all started a lot with just understanding and just [00:11:00] being accepting with my story, right? Like, well, it is what it is. This is what is happening. And then I instead of going through a program, I decided I'd get certified as a coach, because what's the best way to learn?
It's when you is to teach.
Julie Harris Oliver: Yeah. So earlier you went like this
Victoria Steward: yeah.
Julie Harris Oliver: "I had these blinders on."
Victoria Steward: Mm-hmm
Julie Harris Oliver: Did you, did you figure out what the blinders were? what was the story underneath all of it?
Victoria Steward: That, that I just was bad with money. Like, I just was like, "Oh, there has to be enough because how could there not be? I'm making all this... I have a great paycheck," right? And it's like, ah. And then I would like, you know, it was just a continuous cycle of debt payoff, debt payoff, debt payoff. 'Cause I'd pay attention for a little while, it would get better, it was a little overwhelming, so I would stop paying attention.
Be like, "It mu- it has to work out," instead [00:12:00] of being like, "You could just get a little clarity and know and be intentional with your spending instead of being like, 'I've earned this,' right? 'I deserve to take this trip,' or whatever it is." It was just very, very interesting
Julie Harris Oliver: What questions did you have to ask yourself, or now what questions are you asking other people that kinda get to the root of going on?
Victoria Steward: I always love to ask, like, what do you want your li- it's, uh, probably like almost any coach you talk to. What do you want your life to actually be like? Like, what do you actually care about first? Because a lot of times we're spending kind of either because we think we're supposed to, whether it's buying the next bigger house or a bi- a fancier car.
That seems like it's what everybody when you've, like, made this promotion or whatever else is doing, but maybe you don't actually care about any of that stuff, and [00:13:00] what's important for you are trips or giving money to some sort of charity or there's so many things, and we then start to try to do all of them without Making sure that you're paying for the things that you care about and it, like getting that clarity on what you want your life to actually look like, what you're really pointing yourself towards Then kind of gives their space to be like, "Okay, well now there's a reason for me to change this relationship with my money because I would love to be where I want myself to be."
And it gives you the openness and maybe the excitement of where you're going to be like, "All right, let's, let's sort out what's happening here, and how do I start to build some self-trust with myself?" And that's where, like, a, a Amber's cash flow system, like having a [00:14:00] system that you're working with every day, it's just even though it seems boring and all of that stuff, it's like if you're doing the mind...
I know. It's like doing the mindset work, then you're reinforcing it by just being intentional and proving to yourself that you and your money are doing what they're supposed to. It's working for you, not against you, right? Like, it becomes, uh... And for me, the most magical moment is when I realized I was neutral about what was happening, and I was like, "Ooh, this neutrality is really nice."
Like, not excited about it, not worried about it. I was just like, "Oh look, it's coming in. I'm telling it to go over here, and then it goes out, and it's doing its job. That's amazing." And,
Julie Harris Oliver: the heat off of it
Victoria Steward: mm-hmm, because it's, it's just a tool. It's just energy. It's just a construct of our society, and as long as you're, like, [00:15:00] allowing yourself to live true to yourself so that then you're not, you know, spending money on the, the keeping up with the Joneses kind of thing.
It kind of, like, changes the whole perspective of what is happening because you're like, "What do I care about? What do I want this money to do?" And then you can be like, "Oh, well, let's get rid of these subscriptions. I don't actually care about this. Let me get rid of it." Right? Like, "Let me reallocate that money to do something that I actually care about w-", and it, and it's very different for everybody, right?
Like, I think that's the thing is, like, a lot of times we expect that it has to look similar, and all of us are individuals, right? Like, we all care about different things. I don't have any children, but man, do I love my pets, and do I, like, really look after them. , And I love to travel, , which I haven't been [00:16:00] doing or in a long time.
But it's, it's, like, getting clear on what it is you want. And for some people, they wanna have a huge family, so a huge house might be very important to them.- And other people will be like, "I'd love to live, like, in a tiny home because I'm actually never there, but it's a good to have a little place to come."
Right? Like- There's just so many different things. We think it's kind of like, well, you have to do these minimum things. Well, no. The important thing is, like, what do you want your life to look like? And that's important for just anybody, whether you're trying to leave your corporate job or you want to change something, but it can be just powerful to shift that perspective even if you're like, "No, I, I'm staying right here," 'cause there's always noise coming from outside and you're like, "Oh, I should go do this thing over here or sign up for this gym membership that I'll never go to or I don't even like [00:17:00] that kind of workout," you know, like, because all of my friends say it's the best thing ever.
It's like, okay, how do you bring yourself back to what is really important to you? Mm-hmm.
Julie Harris Oliver: And there's something so, I think you said it a second ago, so empowering,
Victoria Steward: Mm-hmm
Julie Harris Oliver: especially as a woman, to be in control and on top of, and have super clarity about your money.
Victoria Steward: Yeah
Julie Harris Oliver: I thought of a story as you were saying that. There was a time when I had, um, had just gotten divorced. We were in terrible financial trouble. and I'll just say children in a row with unpaid maternity leave in America will do a number on your finances. I think some of that has changed, but not very much of that has
Victoria Steward: Very much
Julie Harris Oliver: and so I got divorced, and I took myself to a financial planner, and I was, I was like, "I need to sort this out.
You know, I just lost half my 401'cause divorce. , And I have these three kids, and someday they're gonna co- go to college, and I need some help." And [00:18:00] he outlined a plan, and he said, "I think you can save $20,000 a year." And my reaction "Here's another man trying to take something away from me It was visceral.
I was furious when I walked out of that meeting. And then a year went by I had $20,000 saved I was like, "Oh, he wasn't actually trying to take anything away from me. He was actually trying to help me." But at that point, because of everything I had been through, my view about money was so skewed, like I really had to unpack why am I feeling like this guy is trying to take something from me? Like it was...
Victoria Steward: Yeah.
Julie Harris Oliver: a little bit of work
Victoria Steward: Yeah. Well, and it can be that way with any part of your relationship to money. For me, it was like I could have had like an infinite number of dollars in the bank account, and it wouldn't have made a difference because I felt unsafe with money [00:19:00] all the time. I didn't trust myself. So the amount of money, dollars in the bank account, besides the fact that I didn't know what I spent every month, like, so I didn't know how long that would last per se.
But that's the thing with some of the people I work with, right? It's like, okay, you know what you... Let's get clear on what you're pointing yourself towards, what your monthly expenses are, and, like, what do you think your runway should be? Do you want 6 months, 12 months, 18 months, 24 months? It all depends on, like, what your goals are.
And then sit with it. Is this number that seems logical in your head, does it feel safe? Do you feel... Like, is that going to actually satisfy? Or when do you get, get there, are you gonna go, "Mm-mm, more"? Or... Right? Because a lot of times... And you don't even have to know your number. You could be like, "Okay, my salary is this.
Let's just divide it by [00:20:00] 12. I need this much per month." How mon- how many dollars is that in your bank account before you're feeling comfortable to leave? And then you sit with that. You're like, "How do I feel? Is, is that really... Do I feel good about that?" And for some of us, the answer is going to be no. And it could be for many different reasons.
It could be that it's no amount of money will make you feel safe. Could be that you're not really sure where you're going, right? What do you wanna do in that break time? Like, there's so many different reasons. But it's all usually comes back to, like, we need to be clear on what we want, what makes us feel safe, what is important.
Julie Harris Oliver: I had a client recently, um, they're trying to work their way out of debt, and they don't really know how much money they need to make, or they... No, sorry. They [00:21:00] do know how much money they need to make. They're not really sure how much work they need to do in order to get there. So they're a freelancer, they've never sat down to do the math, "I need to do this X many times to make this much money to, to get where I wanna go.
So what does that actually mean per week? What does that actually mean per day? How many gigs do I have to book in order to get to that number?" And they had never done that. So we started with that. Like, what does that actually look like? And the takeaway was, "Oh, that's actually a doable thing that I can do.
And now that I know how many it is, let me figure out how to book that many." So then there's a marketing gap. There's not a I have no idea how much, how the money works gap.
Victoria Steward: Yeah. And I've seen with clients too, it's like you do- you run all the numbers, you have, like, a monthly revenue goal, and it can be so much larger than anyb- than people expect, right? You're like, "Blah," right? Like, "Oh my God." But it also unlocks... Like, once you get [00:22:00] past a little of the shock and let yourself feel the shock, you can be like, "Oh, okay.
This is where I am now. Here's my gap." Like, exactly like you said. And it can be like, that's one more project. Or like, I've had clients where I'm like, they're fairly new in building their business, it's like, "Well, what kind of clients do you actually want? Do you want a couple high-end clients so you only have to find two to g- to make your revenue goal?
Or do you wanna work with a brand," let's say, or, like, however, and then have a couple smaller projects that maybe are with people that really light you up. Like, it allows you to just start to get really, like, the creativity, like, the sparkle comes into their eyes of like, "Oh, how do I want to make it?" But if you don't have that goal, then it can be like, "I need to have 50 clients."
But do you really? Like, where did that come from? "Well, I can only charge this much an hour." Are you... [00:23:00] But why? Yeah. And then it can also tie in, 'cause a lot, if you work with women, right, like the whole... In our society, uh, most of us, is there's a lot of tying to, like, work for our value pieces, and it's like...
And, like, how much do you value yourself? How much is your time? How valuable is your time? And there could be some, some stories and, and blocks to work through with those, for sure, for most of us.
Julie Harris Oliver: a lot of, uh, a lot of stories around, or a lot of feelings around how do I even name the price that wanna do? There, there was someone, I forget who said it, my husband told me about it, but if you're not a little embarrassed by the fee that you're charging, you need to charge a little bit more. And I think about that a lot as I'm like, "Ooh, here's my proposal."
Victoria Steward: "Ugh." Yeah, and it's also [00:24:00] practice, right? Like, it's... I have noticed that at the start you're like, "Oh my God, this feels disgusting in my body to say this number," whatever it is. And, and then you start practicing it, saying it, and just being like, "Oh, it's a thing I say to people." And you kinda start to let go of the, the, the, like, grip on, "Oh, no, I'm really worried about what this person's gonna say or what their reaction is going to be."
Well,
Julie Harris Oliver: And then they don't react at all, and
Victoria Steward: that-
Julie Harris Oliver: "Oh, I could have said a lot more, actually. Next time let me try saying a lot more."
Victoria Steward: Yeah, and it's all practice. So you start with what's a little icky and a little bit on the edge, and then you're like, "Oh, this isn't so sticky anymore. Okay, let's bump it up a little bit." Exact- well, exactly like you said until it's also, again, like, "Ooh, I don't know if I can say this with, like, a straight face."
And then when it gets too comfortable, you can bump it up again. You don't have to jump to, like, the number everybody tells you [00:25:00] right at the start. It's all an experiment
Julie Harris Oliver: to, talking to women late career, , and I know so many of them who are dying to get out of their jobs or make some kind of transition or get out of cor- like do the thing. , And I also just wanna name, I know this is, this is a... Is that my dog barking right now?
Victoria Steward: Mm-hmm
Julie Harris Oliver: Sorry. Hopefully I can take that out. so when you're working with women who are at a high level and have had big careers, and they're trying to transition out of it, and I mean, something happens between 45 and 55 where you're like, "I'm just about done fighting this hard fight, but I'm certainly not done working and contributing and wanting to have an impact in the world." And so I know a lot of women who are doing this math and, you know, what do I need to do to get out? , And I wanted to clock this as a very privileged conversation to have 'cause I know there are people who are not remotely having this conversation, but also need to know about how their money works [00:26:00] and what it looks like and what the
Victoria Steward: Yes
Julie Harris Oliver: is. , so if you're working with someone who's, you know, I've been making this big money, I wanna pivot and get out, I think maybe I can be a consultant, I'm not sure how much runway should I actually get myself, how do you start that conversation?
Victoria Steward: With getting clear on what do they want their day-to-day life to look like and feel like once they are, have built whatever it is that they built. Because it's so easy to take the, like hustle and grind from whatever you're doing now if that's not what you want, if you haven't spent some time. And like how do you figure out how many cl- like your pricing structure, the clients you want to work with if you're like, "Well, I'm gonna still work 40 hours a week, and I'm gonna do this, and I'm gonna do that because that's what I've always done."
And like usually at this point when you're leaving, [00:27:00] you want your life to feel different. You wanna have, whether it's time freedom, location freedom, right? Like there's some aspect of freedom that you want to have. And if you don't get clear on like, "Hmm, I don't wanna start working until noon because I've gone to the gym, I've taken my dog for a two-hour walk, I've had a leisurely, you know, breakfast," and I...
Julie Harris Oliver: in bed before any of it.
Victoria Steward: Exactly. And I, I don't know, maybe there's some special thing that you like to do in the evenings or a couple times a week you wanna be done, you know, at 4:00, right? Noon to 4:00, that's the o- that's what you wanna work. And right? Like if you don't take the time to be like, "What's im- what do I want my day to look like?"
Then you're, you're not going to give yourself space to dream into what is that next step. Like what am I building? Or [00:28:00] am I looking for a consulting job through a company or am I starting my own, right? Like there's... If we don't take... And, and most of us, I mean I never did until I did a six-month mastermind, spend any time like, "Well, what do I actually want my life to look like in the future?
Like what do I want my days to feel like? What is that sense of what it is that I'm building towards?" Like if money doesn't matter because it has to support something, support something that you want. And so getting that is the very first step is getting clear on what it is that your purpose is or what your life, what you want your life to look like.
Then you can get clear on the money '
Julie Harris Oliver: cause if you only work four hours a day, that's a whole different calculation on what you're gonna charge
Victoria Steward: Mm-hmm.
Julie Harris Oliver: than if you're gonna grind it out 60 hours a week
Victoria Steward: Yeah. [00:29:00] Yeah. And most of us at this point, like you're talking about the, like 45 to 55, the idea of like grinding anything out is like, "Okay, I did that. No, thank you. No, thank you. My body says no way. I can't do that anymore. I would like a full eight hours of sleep, thank you very much."
Julie Harris Oliver: Yeah. then coffee.
Victoria Steward: And then coffee in bed.
Julie Harris Oliver: Okay, we're already at a half an hour. Who is your ideal client, and how would they find you?
Victoria Steward: So my ideal client, I kind of envision them as me a couple years ago, before I left, before I n- was taking the steps to leave, so that then there's time to work on what's happening with your emotions and the story, and get a system in place so that you have the freedom to make a decision, that it doesn't feel like it's a make or break it, right?
So you know something's off. [00:30:00] Maybe your body has started to tell you. Maybe it's something about your... The mission of the work has shifted, something has changed. It might just be out of alignment anymore. Like, something is starting. There's so, like dissonance in your life. So I would love to work with them, and maybe they've been in the loop of like, "I should go do something.
I've been... But it's been a year. I'll give it another year. I'll give it another year." They might have just started, like looping a little bit. And I would love to help them get clear on what they want, get clear with their money, and sometimes, like the answer might not be leaving. It might be resetting your boundaries.
It might be prioritizing vacation. It might be asking for help w- at work, right? Like it could just be restructuring what's already here. But the getting, getting that money relationship to be a [00:31:00] partnership then allows you to have the freedom to make a decision, like whenever you're ready, and in whatever way feels right for you in that moment when you're ready.
'Cause it will change. It can change. This work, like you're evolving.
Julie Harris Oliver: Yeah.
Victoria Steward: can change.
Julie Harris Oliver: Yeah.
Victoria Steward: Mm-hmm
Julie Harris Oliver: My friends and I used to talk about having, uh, F-U money in case you ever needed to just quit in a huff.
Victoria Steward: Ugh.
Julie Harris Oliver: But, but the next level is the I don't like your tone money.
Victoria Steward: Mm-hmm
Julie Harris Oliver: We'd all like to have a little I don't appreciate your tone in the bank
Victoria Steward: Mm-hmm. And then you can be like, "This is what you need to change if you want me to stay."
Julie Harris Oliver: Yeah. Well, it puts you in such a powerful position of, "Here is what I require
Victoria Steward: Yeah
Julie Harris Oliver: in order to give you the benefit of my work here."
Victoria Steward: Yeah. And I bet you in some places they will change, like they just have never heard [00:32:00] somebody say something like that. Some places they'll be like, "See you later." And you'll be like, "That's fine. I don't care. I'm gonna go do my own thing now. Thank you very much." Yeah. And then,
Julie Harris Oliver: find you?
Victoria Steward: um, they can find me on LinkedIn.
Um, my- it's victoria-dash-steward-dash-coaching. Um, or on Instagram, which is victoria.steward.coach.
Julie Harris Oliver: Steward with a D
Victoria Steward: D, yes.
Julie Harris Oliver: Yeah, and I
Victoria Steward: with a D
Julie Harris Oliver: I'll link to it in the show notes.
Victoria Steward: Thank you
Julie Harris Oliver: What would you leave us with?
Victoria Steward: I would just leave people with give yourself a little time and space to dream into you have a magic wand, it's six months from now, a year from now, two years from now, whatever it is. There are no- not... You've cleared the way with your magic wand. Give yourself some time to sit with what does that actually feel like in your [00:33:00] body? I would love people to open that little bit of space for, for that imagination to start working again
Julie Harris Oliver: Beautiful. Victoria Steward, thank you so much for doing this
Victoria Steward: My pleasure. Thank you so much, Julie, for having me
This has been Deep Work Out Loud. I'm Julie Harris Oliver. I'd like to thank Victoria Stewart for joining the podcast. If any of this resonates with you, please subscribe, leave a review at all the podcast places, and please share this episode with a friend.
If you'd like to work with me, you can find me at julieharrisoliver.com. And let me leave you with this invitation. If you are avoiding getting really clear and honest about your money, where it is, what it's doing, I invite you to just have a look. If you need help with that, call Victoria. You can call me.
I think there is such power in just [00:34:00] getting really honest with it and knowing what the actual facts are, and I think that actually, , removes some of the anxiety. I know it's counterintuitive, but I think the more you know, the more you can deal with it. So that's my invitation for you, especially if you're a woman.
I think you need to know all about your money. Okay, try this on. Report back. Thanks for listening. See you next time.